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, as you see. we've got them moving higher today. david: the battle over the debt ceiling and paying the bills that d.c. is racking up continues. representative jerry nadler, happens to be my representative, he is looking to stop future fights. he has introduced legislation to end the debt ceiling debate by getting rid of the debt ceiling all together. but would that give too much power to the president? that is the argument. that is the debate. we'll take you and jerry nadler there coming up. liz: germany's central bank pulling some of its gold out of new york and paris. we have somebody who says you need to look at this because it could turn out to be good news for gold prices. he also says we could see 1900 an ounce by the end of the year. find out why and how you could play this one. david: we all love gold. first before we get to all those stories we'll tell you what drove the markets with today's data download. it is a mixed day on wall street. dow settling lower while the nasdaq and the s&p posting gains the dow snapping a five-day winning streak. technology and energy were to
obama on the debt ceiling said he will not negotiate while republicans "hold a gun to the head of the american people." this is "special report." ♪ ♪ >> bret: good evening. i'm bret baier. president obama declares the health of the american people is not a bargaining chip. the president warns against the prospect of what he called republicans holding the economy hostage. over the debt ceiling. it was the primary focus of the last news conference of his first term. we have fox team coverage. seep your political analyst brit hume will have analysis of that event. correspondent shannon bream tells us about another big topic today. gun control. we begin with white house correspondent wendell goler on the partisan tone over the debt. good evening, wendell. >> good evening. >> bret: the party that doesn't control the white house is rarely happy about raising the debt ceiling. >> reporter: recent years a genuine threat not to do so. >> raising the nation's debt ceiling, the president told reporters is a necessity caused by spending in the past. not something to trade with congress
ceiling, which is that not everybody understand what the debt ceiling is about. the debt ceiling, raising the debt ceiling, which congress has to do periodically, gives the government the ability to pay existing bills. it doesn't create new deficits. it doesn't create new spending. so not raising the debt ceiling is sort of like a family, which is trying to improve its credit rating sank i know how we can save money, we won't pay off credit card bills. not the most effective way to improve your credit rating. it was the very slow solution to the debt ceiling in august 2011 i got the u.s. downgraded last time. so it's very, very important that all these issues are important but it's very, very important that congress take necessary action to raise the debt ceiling to avoid a situation where our government doesn't pay its bills. >> a number of people have expressed concern about how much of the challenges actually were addressed in the deal. as you mention it certainly went part way but it leaves another the issues still on the table, and additional negotiations and are looking. would you c
the debt ceiling or put the u.s. economy st. at risk. it's tuesday, january 15th, 2013 and "squawk box" begins right now. >>> good morning, everybody. welcome to "squawk box" here on cnbc. i'm becky quick along with joe kernen and andrew ross sorkin. we've been watching the u.s. equity futures and at least at this point you can see they do look like they're indicated to open a little lower. right now, dow futures down by about 16 points below fair value. the s&p futures are about 2 points below fair value. we have some different nebs going on at the top of the screen than we do on that fair value board. we'll check on that, as well. >>> dell is said to be in talks with private companies in reports of a possible guyout. the journal says jpmorgan is involved in the negotiations. dell shares have been soaring near an eight-month high on first word of this news yesterday. you can see up about close to 2% to the premarket sales. 64 is the last dip. in other technology news, facebook is holing a press conference today. no word on what the big announcement will be. you've heard a lot of analy
to do and authorize an increase in the debt ceiling so we can pay our debts. i think that is what will eventually happen. i do not think the going often the other direction would be that helpful. >> -- that going off in the other direction would be that helpful. >> i am a second year at the board's school. does the debt ceiling still have a practical purpose? could it be eliminated without much consequence? >> it has got symbolic value. maybe one or two other countries, but essentially no other countries and the world have this particular institution. the congress appropriates $100, tells the government to spend $100 on whatever, and then it raises $80 in revenue through its tax code. the arithmetic here says, you have to borrow $20. no, congress has to give a third 100-80 = says the 180at 20. logically, there is got to be something to make up the difference. the way to address it is by having a sensible plan for spending, insensible span foplar revenue. as i was saying before, this is like a family saying, we're spending too much. let's stop paying our credit card bill. that is n
under control, but does he think the debt ceiling is the leverage that republicans should use to get that done? he'll join us exclusively, and i know you're going to ask him about that. >> absolutely. >> let's check out the action on the street right here. here's how things are shaping up with less than an hour to go. the dow jones industrial average hitting basically at the highs of the day. had been down around 60 points earlier. talking about a gain of 20 points on the blue chip average. fractional move at 13,527. nasdaq chart pattern looks similar. take a look though it's negative. down about nine points on the nasdaq, a quarter points lower and the s&p 500 looks like this. similar chart pattern as the dow up a fraction on the standard & poor's but still that's the high of the afternoon. let's get more on the markets in today's "closing bell" exchange by hank smith and steve from comcast funds and our own rick santelli. >> hello. >> good to see you guys. >> thank you so much for joining us. >> hank smith, we haven't heard from you in a while. let me kick this off with you. how ar
to you and you will not be touched by gun violence, you are fooling yourself. >> the debt ceiling debate continues. >> the real issue here is, we all know, is spending. >> what are the risks of huge dispense cuts? >> operation commitment, and trading will be gutted. we will ground aircraft, return ships to port, and sharply curtail training across the force. >> a bill before the while the state legislature would make a federal legend try to enforce a ban on arms federal -- guilty of a felony. there are similar measures in texas. the governor of mississippi want to make it illegal in the state to makin force any new gun laws. how many times have we had this debate? this time after the massacre in connecticut, the president says it is different. the president has said 23 executive order is aimed at reducing gun violence and is urging congress to reduce -- and it back crunchers' for all gun sales purity is also asking americans to put heat on members of congress to get there. >> ask for a member of congress if they support universal back rent checks to keep guns out of the wrong hands. if t
, trace. and a push to completely eliminate the debt ceiling once and for all effectively eliminating any legal checks on federal spending. up next, stu varney, what this could mean and why a whole new class of taxes is also now getting some buzz. and new controversy over reports that federal agents waited to arrest an illegal immigrant and a sex offender who worked for this powerful democratic senator, senator menendez, you saw in that picture there. what, what really went on? why was this done? an early morning rescue puts a whole new meaning on another brick in the wall. as firefighters-- did you watch this on america's news room with bill and martha? firefighters worked hours to free a woman who got stuck in a tight spot, how it happened. ♪ ♪ caught between a rock and a hard place ♪ bayer aspirin was the first thing the emts gave me. now, i'm on a bayer aspirin regimen. [ male announcer ] be sure to talk to your doctor before you begin an aspirin regimen. [ woman ] learn from my story. before you begin an aspirin regimen. music: "make someone happy" music: "make someone happy"
because the debt ceiling concern and talks, it's been pretty much nonexistent on the industrial -- >> the markets at fresh five-year highs. >> yeah. it's all because we had the fiscal cliff. and it was so volatile coming into it. we saw some massive swings and massive breakdowns coming into it. it seemed like the market was all over the place. with the debt ceiling, everyone thinks they'll kick the can, raise the debt ceiling up, or get resolved within -- >> that mean the market's at risk? it would seem yes, right? >> see, if you -- my opinion of what will happen is if there's any small breakdown in it, you know, if there's threats that they may downgrade the s&p, whatever, we'll see a breakdown in s&p down to like 14.50, 14.40. but there are so many people waiting on the sidelines, so much cash. and people looking at u.s. equities over the safety play. they'll start coming in, they'll buy. it i think it's going to be a good year for the s&p this year. >> what does earnings season do? hearing from jpmorgan and goldman sachs, the financials have been a driver of major averages mo
illustrate why we are going to have the big fights over the next couple of months to raise the debt ceiling and two-thirds of the republican caucuses voted for this. they want to send a message that they really, really needed it, that they want to cut spending for every doll they put out there, even on disaster relief, which historically has not been required to have an offset. >> and definitely has ruffled feathers in the last congress. all of our viewers i'm sure will rememb how new jersey governor chris christie didn't hold back in showing how angry he was at congress, the house, and specifically speaker boehner when the vote was delayed last time. listen to him. this is on january 2nd. >> new jersey deserves better than the due police tea we saw displayed last night. america deserves better than just another example of a government that has forgotten who is the to serve and why. 66 days and counting. shame on you. shame on congress. >> when you listen to that and when you listen to the house floor and sound bites before , s what you're saying why speaker boehner did what he did in the v
hiring. we may be looking at this debt ceiling, and i'm going to invoke shakespeare, the bard, that this may be much ado about nothing. i'm going there. right here. >> right now? the cliff is -- >> don't you love -- you know, when i first heard, i thought what a great title, i said no, moran, take the shakespeare course first the it's going to be claymation death match, maybe ufc, you and i watch that in our spare time -- not -- but i don't think it's as important as getting through the fiscal cliff. people are hiring again. >> dow transports continue to hit six-year highs. >> even as crude is up 95. >> it's like a market that has transport leadership. did you see union pacific? we had mike's southern on "mad money" he says point-blank, the hole has bottomed and is starting to go higher. and be good to the shutdowns, the coal plants. don't forget china has been burning coal, like you wouldn't believe. much more inventory reduction, because it is so cold. don't care maybe as much about the air. >> apparently not given what we've been hearing out of the beijing. >> can you see y
raising the debt ceiling gives the government the ability to pay its existing bills. it doesn't create new deficit spending. so not raising the debt ceiling is sort of like a family that's trying to improve its credit rating. families that say, i know how we can save money, we won't pay her credit card bills. it was the sole solution to the debt ceiling in august of 2011 in the u.s. downgraded last time. so all these issues are important and it's very important that congress take necessary action to raise the debt ceiling to avoid a situation where government doesn't pay its bills. >> a number of people have expressed concern about how much of the challenges actually were addressed in a deal, it certainly went part way, but leaves a number of issues still on the table. would you care to raise that as an additional fiscal cliff that is facing us? would you think that it's not as concerning as it was when you raise that term initially? >> as i said the fiscal cliff, if it is allowed to take place, it probably would have traded a recession this year. a good bit of that has been a
to see a default as we get closer to the debt ceiling deadline. will this put a limit on what stocks do over the next few weeks? >> i read this weekend another piece that says the social security checks aren't going to come out. they're going to come out, okay? we can go down this path and scare people. but i'm not going there. i remember when i was going to the balk last year and we had the debt ceiling. a woman said, i'm not going to get my social security check. and i said you will. she said, no, i'm not. i feel like, it's incumbent on people to say, look, maybe there's a week -- but when you say social security's not going to come out, we are not a third world -- an emerging third world nation, whatever is political to say. we can really scare people here. our job should not be to scare people. but you can scare people very easily. >> right. on the other side people are citing mutual funds, we talked about this on friday, and thursday of last week as a positive. perhaps you shouldn't, given there were so many inflows to bond funds. the s&p was up nicely last year and the year prior,
fighting and hammer out a strategy to deal with the looming debt ceiling. melissa: chaos in algeria, the fate of dozens of hostages is unknown. some reportedly have escaped. fox news middle east analyst and lou dobbs will weigh in. first, time for stocks, let's check with the floor the new york stock exchange, nicole petallides is standing by. the dow just awful session highs, but not having a bad day. nicole: not bad at all. up about 90 points off of the highs of the day. was yesterday a fluke? we had five days of gains, gave back a little bit yesterday and back in the green again. look at the nasdaq up more than half a percent. the s&p 500, gains across the board. economic news for labour numbers and those were good, housing starts have been on the move as well, that was well above expectations. let's take a look at some of the homebuilders in particular, which have had a great run recently. tilden permits at multiyear highs. ben willis yesterday talking about optimism. there is a look at lennar. to give an idea of how well the homebuilders have run up, to put together a chart wit
. it was enough. it got us through that period. then we said, well, we've got to two months until the debt ceiling. it's the 17th today and it just feels different. we're not -- we don't have a clock on cnbc showing the days to the debt ceiling when we hit it. it just seems like the market b is getting desensitized and we figure something -- it's not going to be the deal that we thought. is that true? do we know that, that it's not going to -- you know, derail this? >> my sense is, joe, you might be back to a clock in about a month. i think the one thing we learned from the fiscal cliff was don't really pay attention to anything that comes out of washington until "d" day. >> so that is what we're doing now. we're looking at individual results. >> and i think that's actually what people want. they want to trade in the market. the nice thing about you is you're talking about earnings, you're talking about things that matter to the market right now. everyone i talk to is saying i'll deal with the debt ceiling when i get there. actually, if there was a lot on worry there, we wouldn't be going, budding
debt ceiling which will come into play so we will be seeing a lot of activity the next few months about the appropriate size of the government and about the size of the deficit and a lot of back-and-forth over these issues. without going into all of the different ramifications i want to say a word about the debt ceiling which is not everybody understands what it's about. the debt ceiling which congress has to do periodically as gives the government money to pay its existing bills. it doesn't create new spending so it's like a family trying to improve its credit rating not the most effective way to improve the credit rating and was the slow solution to the debt ceiling in august of 2011 that of the u.s. downgraded last time brough so it's very important that congress take the necessary action to raise the debt ceiling to avoid a situation where our government doesn't pay its bills. estimate the number of people have expressed concern about how much of the challenges actually were addressed in the deal. as you mentioned is certainly went part way that leaves a number of issues still on th
the sequestered, the debt ceiling, and you have the continuing resolution. the sequestered and debt ceiling fall on top of each other towards the end of february. these to say and republican leadership and the senate, which is served in for 12 years, you never take a hostage you cannot shoot. the problem with the house was they took hostage the cannot shoot when they took the fiscal cliff. if the republican members of congress take the debt ceiling as a hostage, it is a hostage you cannot shoot. as a very practical matter, if we go over the debt ceiling, we do not increase the debt ceiling, republicans will not win the debate. they will argue they are not increasing it because they do not want to control spending but they will not win the debate. what will happen is the white house will pay with cash flow of the interest on the debt. the debt will not be called. what they might not pay our social security checks. the moment the american citizen figures out they may not go out, the game is over. tenfold. because believe me, though congress can stand up to the senior lobby. so that is not a legiti
creates an entirely self-inflicted shortage through the debt ceiling. how is it exactly that we're supposed to have this crisis that leads to a double dip recession? it really doesn't even make sense as a story. and yet it is one of those things that people say and by and large, are not contradicted on. >> we keep hearing from the right that we're here on the path to becoming greece, and you say that that's impossible? >> yeah. we, even if, suppose that people decided, investors decided they don't like u.s. government debt, it can't cause a funding crisis because the u.s. government prints money. it's even hard to see how it can drive up interest rates because the fed sets interest rates at the short end, and why exactly would the long run rates go up if you don't expect the fed to raise rates? it could lead to a weakening of the u.s. dollar against other currencies. but that's actually a good thing. that would make u.s. exports more competitive. that would actually boost our economy. so it's, actually impossible to tell that story, as far as i can tell. and yet, it's not, again
worries about higher taxes. consumption makes up 70% of the u.s. economic growth. the debt ceiling debate, presidential report card and quiet market rally. what does it mean for you money? joining us right now, jared bernstein, center on budget and policy priorities and chief economist to vice president biden. also with us, russ koesterich. thanks for joining us. >> thanks, maria. >> russ, let me kick it up with you. a pretty good rally. on thursday the s&p 500 hitting yet another five-year high. is this rally for real? do you think it's sustainable going forward as we continue through this earnings period? >> i think in the short term, it is. i think we're probably going to hit a road bump in february. the reason i say that is we've got a lot of flows coming into the market early in the year. people were nervous in december. they're coming back in to stocks. that's a good thing over the longer term. we do have some issues coming up. the debt ceiling obviously one of them. the second question is we start to get the economic data. how big of a hit from the tax increaseses, payroll tax holi
in washington will be over the debt ceiling. can president obama end this craziness and bypass congress altogether? we'll talk about the out of the box solutions and whether they would work. >>> and, finally, this is the signature of the man who might be the next treasury secretary. we'll look back through history to see if there's any loopy president. speaking of secretaries of the treasury three former holders of the office and many other statesmen and women offering advice to the president on a new gps special tonight "memo to the president, road map for a second term." tonight at 8:00 p.m. and 11:00 p.m. eastern and pacific. >>> first, here's my take. chuck hagel's nomination as america's next secretary of defense has drawn fire from people who say he's outside of the main stream. in fact, he's a pretty straight forward, traditional republican on most issues with a reluctance to go to war, born of knowledge and experience. where hagel does appear out of the mainstream in washington's world of group think is on iran. which i would argue is a good thing because washington desperately
in congress over raising the debt ceiling. the fed coming to the same conclusion that the idea behind the platinum coin was that the treasury would mint a core or coins for precious metal and the value would be based at $1 trillion. the united states is expected to reach its debt limit of $16.4 million last month. >> how many -- >> and it would have created sh -- there's the idea of used the 14th amendment to say that you have to pay your debts. but it would have created huge problems for the democrats as a way of just saying, you can make up any kind of mope. >> no. but a lot of people said if one side is going to play hard ball,ing. >> they would have been tide up in reports forever. >> there is a provision for it. easily done. i wanted one. that's a lottery you want to win, that coin. >> a printing press, right? >> a trillion dollar coin. >> i could never spend that much money. it would be impossible. >> ever see brewster's manage? >> i know of it. >> i don't remember. i remember -- >> why you wouldn't keep it. >> richard pryor was in it. >> very difficult. >> the debt ceiling is s
what is happening here with the debt ceiling and u.s. economy but others say this is really just a lot of collectors simply wanting more coins. we are also looking at where silver plays in terms of other metals this weekend and as you can see it is clearly the winter. and it is posting the best week its nd two months time. back to you. >> thank you, sharon. >>> relatively flat on the major market indeces. >> we are positive for the week. >> you would think that stocks would be worried about the debt ceiling and yet we had word that gop controlled house might have a deal. might vote next week to raise the debt ceiling for even three months. there is a very muted reaction and what to watch here are how people are buying etfs. this is the s&p 500. you can buy it in a single stock and you might say, oh, gee, there is a move there to the far right on the upside when the announcement came. but it is a very, very narrow amplitude. very narrow range of trading. that's about three points on the s&p 500. the volume did pick up and we will have volume towards the heavy side today. if you think th
's an upcoming one with the debt ceiling. ep has to acknowledge this not so pretty reality in the washington as he gives a speech that's supposed to be inspirational. >> the reality is the same congress he was working with on friday will be the same congress he's working with come tuesday despite the speech. we'll watch closely to see more details coming up. thank you so much. we'll watch more of this ahead. >> we always know security is tight in washington, but for the inauguration, it is as tight as it can possibly get, like the motherload of security here. joe johns is here with us to talk about the whole situation. what are we seeing? >> well, john, first of all, there are probably going to be something like 12,000 security people that we know of in and around the national mall for all of the events. so let's break that down a little bit. there are about 4,000 d.c. police officers all of whom will be available for security, different shifts probably working between 12 and 1 hours on sunday and on monday. we have something like 6,000 national guard people, men and women, who are brought h
between now and the time we deal with the debt ceiling, that we may very well be able to meet the goal which we set out to do, which is to have roughly a $4 trillion cut over ten years, and in the long-term deficit and put us on that path. but i didn't come here to talk about any of those important subjects today because, as important as they all are, today we have a more urgent and immediate call, and that is how to deal with the epidemic of gun violence in america. you all know the statistics very well so i'm not going to repeat them. on that score, i might add, oui an incredible debt of gratitude to many of you at the head table as well as those of you in the room. i know we don't have absolutely unanimity in this ballroom, nor do we in anyway ballroom, but we all know, everyone acknowledges, we have to do something. we have to act. i hope we're all agreed that there's a need to respond to the carnage on our streets and in our schools. i hope we all agree that mass shootings like the ones we witnessed in newton 34 days ago, cannot continue to be tolerated. that tragedy in all my yea
there not be crisis after crisis dealing with the debt ceiling. >> you said last night, you've got to put on a yogi bear costume to make sense of it. >> returning a lot to shareholders. >> one wonders. >> $12 million they're talking about. >> they have been increasing, of course, ever since the huge cuts that had to take place. what is it going to be now, four years ago, right? >> that period, $6. >> yeah. >> march of '09. amazing, coming up on the four-year anniversary. >> do you ever worry about your paycheck? >> yeah. i think you worry about money you had in any bank account or anything. sure. ge was to cushifocused in the ff '08, that was the moment where it could all come to -- >> that was after the ge bailout. >> sorry, not to revisit the -- >> we have to remind people where we came from. tim geithner leaving, david faber is worried about his paycheck. >> speaking of paychecks, let's talk morgan stanley. wall street firm reporting fourth quarter earnings 45 earlier on squawk, james gorman said his firm is poised to improved market environment. which shows a lot of promise if uncertainty is re
in the politics of that. he has fights around the debt ceiling coming up and to make this the issue, how do you think that will work? >> that's why i wonder how serious he is. i'm not questioning his motives. now he knows for the next two months all we're going to be talking about is the debt ceiling, sequestration, the continuing resolution, ending the fiscal cliff, all of these. >> you're not questioning his motives of what he's suggesting. he'd rather have a conversation about guns than the debt ceiling? >> i think the president is trying to get political support from his base, maybe he feels it strengthens him going into negotiations with the republicans or the fiscal issues. listen these guys won't even ban assault weapons, how can you trust them on taxes and spending. i see it as building up his political position which is not wrong but i don't think in his heart of hearts he thinks he's going to pass any significant legislation. >> congressman king in the studio after my asking all the time. >> i couldn't stay away from you, soledad. >> she's not really a tough interviewer is she? >> she
the debt ceiling in a timely manner and providing more clarity on policies could actually generate a boost in confidence and open the door for faster growth in the second half of 2013. looking at the labor market, we see lackluster growth in 2013 wing on job creation. we actually see gains of slowing in the first half of 2013 before picking up. it is a little bit slower than in the 4 1/4 with the doctrines of around 50,000 per month. slower gdp growth is going to be driven, we think, by a consumer that is going to be hobbled by tax increases. we will remain positive in 2013 combined -- in 2013, but not appositive in consumer spending over the fourth quarter the second half will be particularly weighed down by less money in their paychecks. and we think as the year progresses, the strength of the housing market, the while the effects of the home price gains and perhaps to improvement in housing could lead to somewhat stronger consumer spending. we did see a 12% gain in housing starts this morning month over month. 37% year over year. these are strong numbers. we did see improvement in home
to me, hey, jim, what is cnbc going to do after they solve the debt ceiling? you panicked on the election. >> we'll try something. >> the country, the republic is in repeated crisis. you have a president saying -- he said, okay, what happens if the president doesn't have a crisis after the debt ceiling? what are you going to do if he says, listen, we're just going to go back to being like washington? that was interesting. >> we can talk about fundamentals. the economy will be picking up. housing likely to get in on it. >> maybe we're actually breaking -- maybe the valuations aren't -- >> based on what? >> come on, under wells fargo? >> michael dell, and suddenly, mr. skeptic -- >> overheated debt market, that's always a good sign for an economy. that's always a sign that things are getting a lot better. >> it's been getting overheated since 1979. >> big lbos. that worked out real well. no, i'm just -- there's housing, sales of pickups. sales of cars in europe for 2012, not so good. we'll talk about that. >> germany, the bmw sales, volkswagen sales. one of my cousins in mex
the debt ceiling for three months. what this bill will actually do is set a provision that if the senate does not pass that budget in three months then their pay checks would be withheld, so that's the enforcement mechanism. it actually doesn't require any promise that the senate do its budget. there's conceiveably still the thought that they could not do the budget and not get paid. host: so then the house would respond in kind? tell us a little bit then why use this as a mechanism? >> the strategy here is they are trying to go on offense again, because they had a brutal holiday stretch of sort of failed negotiating ploys and in-fighting and they are trying to turn the tables so people will talk about why went to democrats cut spending? one way they can do that is by talking about the fact that the senate hasn't passed a budget in four years. it's uplimited value there's a conventional wisdom that it's not that important but when the people in the country hear that the senate hasn't passed a budget which sounds like a basic failure of their duty and it's an effective talking point the r
's in south carolina. and this headline in the aiken standard -- then, on the debt ceiling debate, the ways and means chairman has announced there will be hearings on this on january 22. they will be taking a look and that. also in the newspapers this morning, here's the "washington times with this headline -- " he will be our guest coming up, the top democrat on the ways and means committee in the house. later, we will talk to the chairman of the house judiciary committee, representative goodlatte, on the washington journal this morning as well. two members of congress. continuing with the debt ceiling, the financial times this morning reports -- on the nomination of chuck hagel, a former nebraskahe ka senator.m he won the support of two key members. his opposition so far has come almost entirely from fellow republicans. those are some of the headlines this morning in the papers. back to our question, do you support executive action on gun- control measures? now to an independent caller. caller: hi. i just wonder if there are any human beings left. the underlying issue has very little to d
congress deal with the debt ceiling? >> i hope it does not come to that but if it has to, it must. you know we can't let extremists put us in default and play chicken with a full faith and credit with the united states of america. that's what they are. when people say let's go into default. when i hear people who are elected to congress say let's go into default. i say this person is from some other planet. this person is not from this planet. the notion that we would do that boggles the mind and the good common sense of the vast majority of americans. >> what is your perspective on america's melting pot being better reflected in small towns? what would urban leaders learn from small town mayors? >> i mean -- i think we're enriched. i know i am. my kids have grown up. i tell people my kids have been in the homes of iranians, koreans, mexicans, italians, and greeks, muslims, we're enriched when we can experience other cultures and people and other perspectives. i think you're seeing the fastest growing places of immigration are in the small towns across the country. at first, there is tensio
, what if these guys mess it up again. the debt ceiling fight they seem to be bigger than the ones we have had recently. >> it is not so much if they mess it up, it is how badly will they mess it up. we know that it is coming. we went into that, first of all, with other things happening that are not happening now. europe was much more of a mess and much more and write mode. we are just starting to get a sense of this function in washington. we are now unfortunately, immune to it. something we had not experienced, we know in hindsight, that did not happen. i think we learned some lessons. do you have a prediction at what may happen this time around. it was a big surprise that everyone said interest rates would skyrocket. and that, money, as a safe haven came in here to the united states. is there any guarantee that that will happen again? >> there is not a guarantee. the other thing that happened was not that foreign money was willing to buy treasuries, one of the concerned was if you lost a aaa rating, many big foundations, endowments tower and dated to only hold aaa securities would
run out of money to pay its bills by the end of february if that debt ceiling isn't raised. congress is preparing to debate it, but it could be a politically charged battle. >>> all right. a big political comeback getting underway today. you might remember former south carolina governor mark sanford. well, back in 2009 he admitted to having an affair with a woman from argentina, who is now his fiance. he announced he's running for his old congressional seat. >>> all right. and you don't hear a story like this often. it comes to us from the suburbs of stockholm, sweden. that's where a cleaning lady stole an empty commuter train and drove it into an apartment building. >> she was at the controls for about a mile. then the train derailed before hitting the building. the woman was seriously injured. she was the only person hurt. i guess she was the only one on the train. >> not good. what were you thinking? >> i wonder why she did that. >> i don't know. >> we need more information on that one. >> yeah, we do. >>> let's talk about our wednesday weather. heavy rain from the gulf coast into
intimating at this point that they're going to be some short-term extension in the debt ceiling and focus on spending. they seem -- you know, they seem to be a little bit hesitant to allow themselves to be set up again as people that are trying to destroy the economy. they're tired of being put in that position where they're holding back the economy. and i think it was the accusation in the first place, but they're sensitive to this point and they're going to roll over. >> they're very sensitive. the political realities of the situation is that i think we all know what needs to be done longer term. the reality is can they get any of this done in the next two months? and that's a much bigger question. i think they're trying to figure that out right now? >> well, we will have people that will argue that we don't have a spending problem, that president obama said we're going to have an economist on today on how you get -- you know, we're going to talk to him. he says the one thing that would hurt the economy is in cuts in social security or medicare or medicaid. any type of reform to those t
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